i made a podcast https://youtu.be/jU9AAaulWL4?si=P_pC-4qwFfQ5TfhE , https://open.spotify.com/episode/3uiPwYblqAYvOEOy6VGwCH?si=UkbFtHG3Szmd8LxwSQyKZw but we'll talk more about it later