Following up from a Twitter war of words, and videos from both gentlemen sizing each other up, Penuel The Black Pen decided to invite them to a mediated debate on the issue of foreigners in South Africa, in particular African foreigners, Zimbabweans and all illegal foreigners.
The issue of immigration, borders and foreign matters has been a burning issue in South Africa in the past few years, especially with Operation Dudula gaining prominence in 2022.
People like Herman Mashaba, Gayton McKenzie, Julius Malema, Dr Aaron Motsoaledi & Nhlanhla Lux have been vocal in varying ways on these topics.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Introductions
1:23 - Participant Backgrounds
3:06 - Industry and Immigration History
6:55 - Regional Relationships and Immigration
9:04 - Lack of African unity
13:06 - Expecting Southern African Union unity
15:04 - Past immigration experiences
21:02 - Immigration agreements
24:02 - Liberation Support and Military Actions
27:04 - Support during liberation
32:06 - Apartheid South Africa attacks Zimbabwe
40:08 - History's relevance for South Africans
41:45 - Regional Support and Relevance
45:04 - Foreigners, Industry, and Crime
52:48 - Denouncing Criminal Foreigners
57:00 - Proxy Wars and Battles
1:07:00 - Proxy Wars and Support
1:10:38 - Shifting focus to solutions for foreigners
1:12:33 - South Africa - Zimbabwe relations addressed
1:22:14 - Solutions: Arguing for a pan-African bank and currency
1:24:45 - Supporting Local Businesses and Holding Politicians Accountable
1:25:21 - Solution: Foreigners Must Go Home
1:31:55 - Solutions: Restitution of Black South Africans' Losses
1:38:40 - Resolving the Issue with South Africans Wanting Foreigners to Leave