Edited from a 72 minute conversation between Adam Curtis and Russell Brand to exclude pauses, umm-ing, etc... and (with apologies) Russell Brand. "Because that's efficient."
Here Curtis explains HyperNormalisation and some of his ideas about individualism, power and 'real change'.
The original discussion can be found here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBy08P7tHPQ
Adam Curtis Documentary channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAWxZyfEPejhGJv8Z4wbKBw