2008-05-12, Renchen-Ulm, Germany
In May 2008 the realized Tibetan Buddhist Master Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche asked Thule and Gunhild Jug to come to Germany with their video equipment. They spent an afternoon with him to record this statement.
More information about Kunzig Shamar Rinpoche:
https://www.karmapa.org/karma-kagyu/lives/14th-shamarpa-mipham-chokyi-lodro/