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Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking" @dianamontalion
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant
RESOURCES
Diana
https://hachyderm.io/@diana
https://bsky.app/profile/mentrix.bsky.social
https://x.com/dianamontalion
https://github.com/dianamontalion
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianamontalion
https://blog.montalion.com
https://learningsystemsthinking.com
Charles
https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social
https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble
https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com
Links
https://xkcd.com/386
https://youtu.be/FPfjHon2tFY
https://youtu.be/WKx9E3DRqXc
https://youtu.be/yiGAfjGrrVs
https://youtu.be/dvRJmzEoJno
DESCRIPTION
Diana Montalion and Charles Humble explore the complexities of systems thinking particularly in tech environments resistant to change. Diana shares insights on the frustrations of introducing new ideas in hierarchical organizations, where power dynamics and skepticism often block innovation.
They discuss the importance of patience, community support, and accepting that recognition may not come when challenging ingrained structures. Diana also reflects on the personal growth she experienced while writing her book, including navigating her ADHD diagnosis and learning to embrace uncertainty. Together, they highlight the need for resilience and collaboration in driving meaningful, systemic change in tech.
Struggling to make systems thinking work in rigid, hierarchical environments? You're not alone. Dive into Diana Montalion and Charles Humble’s conversation on resilience, innovation, and driving real change in tech.
Discover Diana Montalion’s insights on systems thinking and overcoming hierarchical challenges in tech with Charles Humble. Essential read for anyone driving change in complex environments.
TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
01:07 What is Systems Thinking?
09:33 Systems Thinking & microservices
15:23 Leverage points & counterintuitive solutions
27:57 Navigating hierarchy & Systems Thinking
38:01 The journey of writing a Systems Thinking book
48:40 Outro
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ
Robert M. Pirsig • Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance • https://amzn.to/4ekfJU0
Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems • https://amzn.to/3XtqYCV
Donella H. Meadows • Limits to Growth • https://amzn.to/4d9sik4
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