A lot is said about Partition, Pakistan and the role of Quaid-e-Azam; we had the pre-eminent scholar on Partition, Ayesha Jalal, come on the podcast to set the record straight.
On this deep dive podcast, Ayesha Jalal discusses writing history, 1947, 1971, the role of Bhutto, Fatima Jinnah, the legacy of colonialism, whether writing Peoples History is actually writing History, The Sole Spokesman, what Pakistan did Quaid-e-Azam want and the division of provinces during Partition.
Ayesha Jalal also responds to other historians who have challenged her work. Despite 30 years passing since its publication, The Soles Spokesman, remains the gold standard in academia on Jinnah.
Ayesha Jalal is a Pakistani-American historian who serves as the Mary Richardson Professor of History at Tufts University, and was the recipient of the 1998 MacArthur Foundation Fellowship.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:20 Academic Freedom
2:20 Why are we afraid of history
8:00 Decolonizing the mind
12:30 Imposing Urdu on Bengalis
15:20 Was Bhutto to be blamed for 1971
18:20 Is Fauj to be blamed?
22:20 Fatima Jinnah
24:10 Quaid-e-Azam was not a British agent
27:30 Was Muslim league anti-colonial
28:30 Separate Electorates
32:20 Writing History of the Marginalized
37:10 Quaid-e-Azam and Trial of Ilm-ud-din
38:00 Peoples History and Partition
43:00 The Sole Spokesman
45:12 Responding to Venkat Dhulipala's book
46:30 What Pakistan did Quaid-e-Azam want
50:00 Sikhs and Pakistan
54:00 Aurangzeb
55:20 Dividing Provinces during Partition
58:00 UP, Muslim League and Pakistan
1:01 Did Quaid-e-Azam leave Politics when he was in London?
1:05:00 What forced Quaid-e-Azam's hand
1:06:30 Quaid-e-Azam and Gandhi
1:09:00 Punjabi
1:10:30 Pakistan ko banaya tha Punjabio nay aur Bengalio nay