Arab Barghouti joins Alastair and Rory to discuss who, instead of Hamas, could represent a peaceful Palestinian leadership? Why does Marwan Barghouti remain the most popular leader in Palestine despite being in jail for over 20 years, a period during which more than 50% of the population was not yet born? How do the Occupied territories remain hopeful during the ongoing war in the region?
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00:00 – Revolut
01:10 – Intro to episode & Gaza conflict overview
02:02 – Introduction of Arab Barghouti and his father Marwan
03:31 – Marwan Barghouti’s early life and activism
06:38 – Oslo Accords, return to Palestine, Arab’s early life
08:03 – Arab’s personal background and career
09:20 – Relationship with his father and his character
10:54 – Torture and prison conditions Marwan endured
12:05 – Arab's mother and her activism
13:26 – Marwan’s political stance and two-state support
15:02 – Armed vs. peaceful resistance
16:48 – Prison education initiatives led by Marwan
19:17 – Freedom fighter vs. terrorist framing
21:03 – Views on October 7th attacks
24:48 – Divided Palestinian leadership and potential role for Marwan
28:13 – Marwan’s readiness and intellectual sharpness
31:09 – Arab nationalism vs. Islamism and Marwan’s unifying role
33:07 – Refugee return and negotiating complexities
36:26 – Trump, Gulf normalization, and Arab reaction
40:48 – Europe’s role and double standards in foreign policy
43:46 – Experience of giving interviews and Palestinian suffering
46:29 – Arab’s future and refusal to give up hope
47:53 - Debrief