Wes, a pastor, calls in to discuss open theism and making Christianity more scientifically compatible. The hosts contend the biblical God does not match Wes's description, detailing God's violence, failure, and endorsement of slavery. Wes responds that God is not all-powerful and works gradually to improve humans. But the hosts point to specific immoral acts and verses showing the biblical God's cruelty.
As Wes avoids answering whether God created the "barbarians" he improved, the hosts grow frustrated with his evasion and implications they misinterpret scripture. The call descends into clear disagreement as the hosts reject Wes's progressive spin and inability to justify the biblical God's morality. The contentious call ends unresolved.
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